Discussion:
Starting with port-pmax on DECstation 5000/133
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Ari Constancio
2008-04-29 21:50:02 UTC
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Hello,

I'm a new user to NetBSD and, in addition to using i386 machines, I
have nearby in my workplace a forgotten and sad DECstation 5000/133
machine. I just turned it on, after a few years in the darkness, and
the Ultrix login prompt comes up (asking for a new OS :)).

Is there still good support to this port on NetBSD?

Thank you,
Ari Constancio

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Henry Bent
2008-04-29 22:28:10 UTC
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Post by Ari Constancio
Hello,
I'm a new user to NetBSD and, in addition to using i386 machines, I
have nearby in my workplace a forgotten and sad DECstation 5000/133
machine. I just turned it on, after a few years in the darkness, and
the Ultrix login prompt comes up (asking for a new OS :)).
If you care about what's on the machine now you can interrupt the PROM
before the kernel loads, boot it into single user, and wipe the root
password. Otherwise you can just have NetBSD wipe the disk, or neboot.
Post by Ari Constancio
Is there still good support to this port on NetBSD?
Interest in these machines isn't nearly as high as it was a few years ago
but they still work. I built -current a few months back, netbooted it on
a /260 and compiled some things from pkgsrc, and everything seemed fine.

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Lord Isildur
2008-05-09 11:48:41 UTC
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Post by Ari Constancio
I'm a new user to NetBSD and, in addition to using i386 machines, I
have nearby in my workplace a forgotten and sad DECstation 5000/133
machine. I just turned it on, after a few years in the darkness, and
the Ultrix login prompt comes up (asking for a new OS :)).
Welcome!
If you care about what's on the machine now you can interrupt the PROM before
the kernel loads, boot it into single user, and wipe the root password.
Otherwise you can just have NetBSD wipe the disk, or neboot.
always fun to explore an old machine like this! it's time travel, you
never know what interesting things are lurking in the corners of tmp
directories and spool files and whatever other dusty corners of a box
that's been sitting idle for a decade!

you can boot into ultrix single user either by hitting ^c during the early
phase of the boot-up (it's slow enough that you can catch it easily),
while rc is just starting up, or more cleanly with a flag to the kernel
of -s.. but there are a couple different pmax firmwares around and they
have different ways of setting this. i think on the 5k133 it is rather
straightforward.. it was more confusing on the 2100/3100. but someone else
with a better memory might be better to answer it.
Post by Ari Constancio
Is there still good support to this port on NetBSD?
Interest in these machines isn't nearly as high as it was a few years ago but
they still work. I built -current a few months back, netbooted it on a /260
and compiled some things from pkgsrc, and everything seemed fine.
'they still work' is an understatement. These things will still be running
when _electricity_ goes obsolete! not much traffic on this list or in the
community anymore, but there are a few of us still lurking in the corners.
I suppose one reason there's not much traffic is that the stuff Just Works
and we don't need to monkey with it.. not a whole lot of hardware that
hasn't been supported for many years, and i know a lot of people just
keep rather old versions of netbsd running on their pmax'en (i still have
1.6 running on mine).. but this list you will find still a lot of people
who will happily help a newcomer get sorted out and up and running!

good luck with your decstation!

happy hacking,
isildur

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Scott Walters
2008-04-29 20:45:15 UTC
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Hi Ari,

I see people ask questions, report problems, and so on, and get fixes
and replies. I myself have a DEC 3100 I've been meaning to get going.
The one I brought down from the garage in MN (where I had I rescued
from surplus) was getting stuck with all 8 LEDs on, but I brought
another back more recently and it seems happier. So I need to wire
up the funky serial console, write the install image to disc, and
plug 'er into the network...

Good luck!

Regards,
-scott
Post by Ari Constancio
Hello,
I'm a new user to NetBSD and, in addition to using i386 machines, I
have nearby in my workplace a forgotten and sad DECstation 5000/133
machine. I just turned it on, after a few years in the darkness, and
the Ultrix login prompt comes up (asking for a new OS :)).
Is there still good support to this port on NetBSD?
Thank you,
Ari Constancio
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Ari Constancio
2008-05-09 13:35:16 UTC
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Thanks for the warm replies :).

I'm waiting to receive an AUI-to-RJ45 adapter from ebay, in order to
have a network connection (I don't want to fiddle with BNC
connectors).

Ari Constancio
Post by Lord Isildur
Post by Henry Bent
Post by Ari Constancio
I'm a new user to NetBSD and, in addition to using i386 machines, I
have nearby in my workplace a forgotten and sad DECstation 5000/133
machine. I just turned it on, after a few years in the darkness, and
the Ultrix login prompt comes up (asking for a new OS :)).
Welcome!
Post by Henry Bent
If you care about what's on the machine now you can interrupt the PROM
before the kernel loads, boot it into single user, and wipe the root
password. Otherwise you can just have NetBSD wipe the disk, or neboot.
always fun to explore an old machine like this! it's time travel, you never
know what interesting things are lurking in the corners of tmp directories
and spool files and whatever other dusty corners of a box that's been
sitting idle for a decade!
you can boot into ultrix single user either by hitting ^c during the early
phase of the boot-up (it's slow enough that you can catch it easily), while
rc is just starting up, or more cleanly with a flag to the kernel
of -s.. but there are a couple different pmax firmwares around and they
have different ways of setting this. i think on the 5k133 it is rather
straightforward.. it was more confusing on the 2100/3100. but someone else
with a better memory might be better to answer it.
Post by Henry Bent
Post by Ari Constancio
Is there still good support to this port on NetBSD?
Interest in these machines isn't nearly as high as it was a few years ago
but they still work. I built -current a few months back, netbooted it on a
/260 and compiled some things from pkgsrc, and everything seemed fine.
'they still work' is an understatement. These things will still be running
when _electricity_ goes obsolete! not much traffic on this list or in the
community anymore, but there are a few of us still lurking in the corners.
I suppose one reason there's not much traffic is that the stuff Just Works
and we don't need to monkey with it.. not a whole lot of hardware that
hasn't been supported for many years, and i know a lot of people just
keep rather old versions of netbsd running on their pmax'en (i still have
1.6 running on mine).. but this list you will find still a lot of people
who will happily help a newcomer get sorted out and up and running!
good luck with your decstation!
happy hacking,
isildur
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Lord Isildur
2008-05-16 08:42:10 UTC
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ah, yeah.. until I moved and gave away almost all my computers, i still
had coax running through the whole house.. it was only the modern machines
that were the aberrant ones with twisted pair ethernet.. those aui
adaptors, like so many other little things (scsi terminators, floppy
disks and drives, etc etc etc) that used to be so plentiful as to be the
first thing to get tossed in a cleanup, are getting harder to find in
a lot of places. and when one does find them, it's a whole box of them and
folks tend to pitch them instead of save one or two. ah well, thats the
way of these old things.
Post by Ari Constancio
Thanks for the warm replies :).
I'm waiting to receive an AUI-to-RJ45 adapter from ebay, in order to
have a network connection (I don't want to fiddle with BNC
connectors).
Ari Constancio
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